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Action Items:

Due Date

Break up Data Science Roadmap

Make Badge Titles more clear, more meaningul



Do some more marketing and communication about badges in particular, perhaps more broadly

Give updated badge numbers to Lizanne


Notes/ Discussion items:



Roadmaps –

Look at what we are going to be working on next –

Planned topics for roadmaps

  • Running a parallel program – parallel computing
  • Using a parallel filesystem – parallel computing
  • Data analysis – a huge topic (rob - ) – could split by technologies or disciplines –
  • Visualization
  • Gateways
  • ???

Data analysis – this is what you need to learn and understand to be able to do this –

Note that should break this up –

Badges – is a two page –

Started out as Sandie Kappes – and since then, Jeff Sale has joined in a big way, and Victor Eikjhout in a more focused way –

Introduction to lustre – is this as a user, or is it as driving the bulldozer –

Look at CI Tutor, imagine this is from user perspective –

How does XSEDE cybersecurity differ from cybersecurity in general – yes there is a general cybersecurity

Generalize the titles if you want a broader audience to use them –

Dana – what are the basic differences between cybersecurity end user and xsede cybersecurity –

Think these may line up with specific ci-tutor topics –

Our titles need to be more clear for the badges -

But customizing environment

Have not had a whole lot of luck getting people in general interested in badges –

Do we know fraction of people who attend course get badges – high number with summer school – not so much with other courses


Maybe some more marketing and communications about this – eg with campus champions –

This could help with the xsede overview that Susan will do next week -and posting in training channel when we have new asynchronous training – should do it on the list, though more people – and also on the calls, and also to the CaRCC people network –

Instructor using materials in our course, may love having folks in the class go through the relevant badge –

And then you have to ask what is the value of the badge – could put the title of this on your resume –

If the cost is low, then it is a little extra carrot –

Lizanne – did an evaluation of the badges, so little uptake that didn’t pursue further –

Will update with current numbers – and give badge numbers to Lizanne –

On some of these topics, are going beyond expertise, can definitely ask Jay for finding ECSS person to work on this –

Future Education and Training –

  • How will/should education/training be done in the future?

Kate – got stuck on the innovation word, in this realm – what innovations in this realm should we do with either training or education materials –

Eg, with asynchronous training, could imagine having a window where could truly do hands on-

Dana – all the xsede training is geared to end users – the researchers themselves –

Have you thought about a train the trainers thing, or target audience being campus computing research facilitators?

How do we develop this CI profession –

Henry has virtual residency which fills one niche – what can we do to scale –

This is a great idea – but remember that the monthly workshops are reaching an enormous number of people –

And John Urbanic has ideas for a bunch of new topics –

Not earth shattering, but think we should continue path with youtube – xsede channel youtube channel has lots of subscribers and usage, but think we could make it better – with better materials, and companion materials for hands on –

In general, shorter pieces – X number of years ago only had 5 day workshops, this is rare now –

Youtube – as long as John’s lectures – some are 20-30 minutes, but some are an hour –

Have been talking about table of contents and indexing

Lars – youtube – 20 minutes is a sweet spot –

If can figure out if something is useful in 5 minutes – that is perfect – hesitant to click on longer sessions –

Will have youtube session tomorrow –

Train the trainer – have been doing a lot of thought for this – for operational sense – in Robs RDA and other context – what is the additional material want to throw in there –

This is one we have been doing a lot of thought into especially with summer school –

On a completely different level, Kate is working with faculty and curriculum – this is a different scale of train the trainer that is already happening –

Yes, in some ways – can see using outreach – where we talk with campus champions, or people at campus computing centers – where get more materials to help the professionals do their job better – this could be appropriate for faculty too – giving them a background, where someone outside of their domain may want to get from these resources –


Susan – this is an old idea, but wonder – why people don’t reach out to us more, saying this is what we need to learn, where are the materials – we don’t get any contacts –

Can’t believe people are finding exactly what they want, can we get them to talk to us –

Dana – think this is part of the information overload of our society – hard to know what you don’t know, the website – is where do I even begin – making sure people know – this is why Dana is now believing in marketing and communications – it is hard to know when you don’t know where to go –

Do we need better ways for people to find what they need? Or are they getting to the portal already –

Lars – don’t expect people to find things in the portal, rather that it should be discoverable by google –

Let people know what they should type into google –

And make sure our materials are discoverable –

See if there are any ways to make pages more discoverable –

Types of training

  • Monthly training
  • Webinars
  • Asynchronous training


Put together webinars with persistent asynchronous location –

And when asynchronous topic is done, would like to have asynchronous developers give a webinar on this –

Kate – webinars can be too much lectures some times, try to get away from this in education – maybe design webinars that are 20 minutes of presentation followed with some exercise, or hands on activity, that will foster discussion – that reinforce what is covered in the webinar –

Dana – are you doing a “meta” webinar – you have the roadmaps, badges, etc – have you done a webinar of what the education and training webinar of what is going on –

Webinars can be good as teasers -to get folks to dig deeper –

Those can be short – 10 minutes –

Combine suggestions –

Could do an overview, pointing to the asynchronous materials afterwards –

Could do something highlighting campus champion fellows – even excerpting from their talks to the all champions calls –

Rob – at campus schools – and international summer schools, there is more than the training, see the networking, especially with early career professionals –

Webinar – for the right motivated person, is good

But the value of putting people physically in the room can’t be taken away –

Another session tomorrow – Lorna and Lizanne will be talking about a longitudinal study of the monthly workshops – would love to see what they can be –

Lars – future of education – people like to get something for free -whenever you participate, you have a ticket in a raffle, and get something like an invitation to a sponsored participation in a week-long event at a site –

There could be other prizes, eg, a small allocation on a resource –

Accountability won’t work for this, though – need a grown-up PI – (Lars) –

If mentoring is valuable, we could have something in the next response –

Monthly workshops: do the participants get something about some new opportunity –

Dana – talked about importance of face to face things like summer schools –

This group is well positioned – to help make the virtual or remote experience to be as close to the actual experience – can we be innovative to make those relationships grow among participants in training –

Can you run a slack channel parallel going on to encourage more participation, during video presentation, for instance –

At a local instance for big data at cornell, had 75 people, and asked for a local slack channel – with a lot of participation – they helped each other –

Lars uses slack for classroom teaching – and students help each other –

We’ll have a wide range of uptake –

There is not a cost for a slack channel not being adopted –


CaRCC researcher facing calls – have google doc, open to all participants – with cooperative note-taking – intentionally build community –  provide constructs where talking to each other is easy –

Kate – can use tools like poll everywhere to engage audience – to get a display, like histogram, word cloud – etc – this can help get people to answer question, and see what the room feels like –

This is good for introverts to become engaged –

Aaron – there are things like breakout rooms in zoom, where you can have subgroups break off from main conversation for a bit – so you can have small working groups spin off –

These can carry on after the webinar –

Does Rich envision XCI doing training in the same way – yes, hands on, content heavy, with lots of hands-on –

What we probably need to have discussion – in XCRI – haven’t done a very good job on making anything that is permanent rather than documentation and some stuff in github and readthedocs – would be good to see what we could do that would be a product that would last longer –

How specialized does your training end up being?  Not superspecialized, have a script for virtual clusters in Jetstream, that have done in multiple contexts – this is solid.

Have adapted some things in some places, extending it – do have a pretty good track record –

Some of the other stuff – implementing the XDBC toolkit, is a lot more made to fit the particular site – as there are hardware and networking peculiarities that need to be laid down

Hopefully Jetstream will get additional life and we can continue –

“virtual clusters on openstack” would be the generalization –

How do we incorporate ethics into data science – better to include in every module –

This would be interesting to see where this is covered –

How am I a good citizen in a shared environment?

Add in the cooperative development, for direct stem –


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